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Post by Whiskers on Sept 14, 2005 21:27:57 GMT -5
Kiba: Pack died, lived with some Indians, want to reach Paradise.
Tsume: Betrayed his pack, using humans for personal gain in the beginning of the show.
Toboe: Found in front of the domed city by an old woman, who cared for him and eventually died. Toboe lived by himself from then-on.
Hige: Nothing! He worked for Jhagara . . . why? What is Hige's past? You find out that he betrayed his pack, whoever they were, and left them for dead. Why was Hige working for Jhagara in the first place? None of this is ever explained, and it really ticks me off.
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Post by armand on Sept 14, 2005 22:02:19 GMT -5
Why can't you people ever spell her name right. Jagara or in the subtitled version: Jaguara.
Well, by the looks of things, Hige has no memory of his past. Probably Lady Jagara got him when he was a pup, erased his memory and used him to tracks wolves. Hige would attach himself to a pack and unknowingly send them to their doom. Then after a job well done, he would get his memory erased and be back in the wild in no time.
Of course this is nothing more than speculation. That is all you can do.
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Post by Shamdeo on Sept 14, 2005 22:35:38 GMT -5
The pack the old woman belonged to was never confirmed as Hige's pack, but I see your point. I would have liked to see them go into this more, but I guess we'll never know.
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Post by SelsdonMowbray on Sept 14, 2005 23:51:15 GMT -5
I think what happened was that Hige, along with his pack, were taken by Jagara and had all of there memories wiped. This being done, she sent each of them off in different directions looking for Kiba (or the wolf that would open the door to paradise.). When they failed, they were killed.... That's my thought.
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Post by devinfire on Sept 15, 2005 3:12:40 GMT -5
Maybe it was just me, but the way Jagara acted when she heard it was Hige returning to the city, it sounded as if Hige had been raised or destined to bring the white wolf to her. Thus I figured Hige was raised for that sole mission and was then was brain washed or whatever. I didn't think Hige had been in any other packs before, I thought Kiba's was his first.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Sept 15, 2005 19:03:11 GMT -5
I also assumed Kiba was his first. I mean they had their memories erased so they didn't know when they'd hook up with a group that they'd end up screwing them over.
Hige wasn't brainwashed, he didn't set out to look for Kiba. Jagara wanted her wolves to be out in the wild, and if they found any other wolves they'd probably hook up in a group because 2 wolves together is better than 2 solo wolfies. Thus whenever they hooked up with more wolves she'd send her people out and destroy them, then have the wolf stuffed and mounted.
Hige wasn't in any packs before because he'd be dead if he was, and he seems too young to have been with one pack, then have to escape all of Jagara's troops while being constantly hunted and seem all cool at the beginning. Once Jagara's wolves were with another pack, she'd have them all killed and have HER wolf stuffed and mounted.
I hope that makes sense? It does to me.. so yeah, hope this helps
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Post by armand on Sept 15, 2005 22:32:13 GMT -5
I also assumed Kiba was his first. I mean they had their memories erased so they didn't know when they'd hook up with a group that they'd end up screwing them over. Hige wasn't brainwashed, he didn't set out to look for Kiba. Jagara wanted her wolves to be out in the wild, and if they found any other wolves they'd probably hook up in a group because 2 wolves together is better than 2 solo wolfies. Thus whenever they hooked up with more wolves she'd send her people out and destroy them, then have the wolf stuffed and mounted. Hige wasn't in any packs before because he'd be dead if he was, and he seems too young to have been with one pack, then have to escape all of Jagara's troops while being constantly hunted and seem all cool at the beginning. Once Jagara's wolves were with another pack, she'd have them all killed and have HER wolf stuffed and mounted. I hope that makes sense? It does to me.. so yeah, hope this helps No it makes no sense, but i'll try to decipher what you have just said. Point Number One: Hige wasn't brainwashed. Really? Then his memories should be intact but we all know they aren't. Number Two: Kiba's pack was Hige's first job. Perhaps but your reasoning makes no sense. Why? Hige wasn't too young, and the fact that he would simply act so cool after a previous job can be easily explained by another "brainwash". Although, Jagara had a very nice collection of stuffed wolves. Hige would have made an excellent addition. |
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Sept 15, 2005 23:49:06 GMT -5
Point 1: He wasn't brainwashed (IE. Hitlor brainwashed his troops). His memory WAS erased.
Point 2: But doesn't Jagara kill her wolves after they complete a mission? So other wolves don't become suspicious.
and go f**k yourself
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Post by devinfire on Sept 16, 2005 19:28:17 GMT -5
brainwashed can be interpreted as making one forget certain memories. At least it can to me... =/
I believe Kiba's pack was Hige's sole mission, and I too think that had Hige betrayed any other packs he would have ended up just like the othr stuffed wolves. Anyway, my point was that it seemed like Jagara destined Hige to find the white wolf. Could explain Hige's interest in Kiba when they first meet.
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Post by armand on Sept 16, 2005 21:48:54 GMT -5
Point 1: He wasn't brainwashed (IE. Hitlor brainwashed his troops). His memory WAS erased. Point 2: But doesn't Jagara kill her wolves after they complete a mission? So other wolves don't become suspicious. and go f**k yourself Point 1: I agree with Devinfire Point 2: Perhaps your right, but it isn't a fact that she killed all of her pet wolves. And why would other wolves become suspicious? She killed whole packs, no one was left to pass on the story. and you should really get a new phrase. |
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Sept 16, 2005 23:17:22 GMT -5
Oh, rumors spread... trust me. No that I'd know, ahaha...
I don't think Kiba was Hige's mission. I mean Jagara had more than 1 wolf with a tracker on it, she probably kept tabs on all of them in hope that one would find the Chosen Wolf. It just so happened to be Hige. The luck of the draw I guess
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Post by devinfire on Sept 17, 2005 0:41:01 GMT -5
Hmmm, but Jagara pretty much says in the episode where she learns that number 23 has returned that the white wolf will be with him, which leads me to believe that finding Kiba was Hige's sole mission and *could* explain his infatuation with Kiba in the first episode. Lets also remember that it was Hige that found Kiba. Of course, it's just my point of view.
In the end, like armand first said, the whole Hige incident is another one of those things that WR didn't go into depth about and it's all just speculation.
About the only thing we know for sure about Hige in the end is that he came very close to betraying Kiba and the others or did betray them... it's hard to tell because Hige says he did while Kiba said he didn't... confusing.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Sept 17, 2005 18:19:51 GMT -5
If he did, then the betrayal was simply being in their pack and leading them to Jagara's city, which he didn't do, i mean he didn't lead them, Kiba did.
On another note, just like Devinfire and Shamdeo said, its one of those open ended things which you are supposed to figure out. In this case, i like how they didnt say anything because, since his memory was wiped, they would have to show clips or some other odd way to show us his past. Also agree with the "kiba being his only quarry" theory.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Sept 17, 2005 21:38:08 GMT -5
Well, remember when Tsume and Kiba were talking in the desert? They were talking about Hige betraying them from the very beginning. I forgot exactely what they said, I may check on it later, I may not.
I think Hige felt that he betrayed them was because he had the tracker on him so Jagara's troops kept trying to attack them, remember?
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Post by armand on Sept 18, 2005 14:44:10 GMT -5
Well, remember when Tsume and Kiba were talking in the desert? They were talking about Hige betraying them from the very beginning. I forgot exactely what they said, I may check on it later, I may not. I think Hige felt that he betrayed them was because he had the tracker on him so Jagara's troops kept trying to attack them, remember? Sean, where the hell did you get the idea they were talking in the desert? Desert!? Are you sure? But you are right on the rest, Hige felt he betrayed them because he was the cause Jagara's troops kept following them. But of course, only Tsume saw it as betrayal, Kiba saw it differently. |
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