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Post by armand on Jun 28, 2006 22:42:17 GMT -5
....I mean thinking...
Ok, I know this subject has been touch before...but never got too much indepth.
So, we all know Darcia at first is merely trying to cure his lover. And therefore needs Cheza...but why though? What can Cheza actually do to cure Paradise sickness? What was he going to do with Cheza? What was his plan? I know there is no definite answer to this. But speculation will be fine.
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Post by ookami de kokoro on Jun 28, 2006 23:33:24 GMT -5
hmm, i never really thought about that before.
maybe he figured since Cheza was the only one that could lead him to Paradise he could use her to get there and thus be together again with Harmona. remember when he was fighting Kiba in the keep and Kiba told him why he and the other wolves wanted Cheza so desperately? Harmona had just died, so Darcia's need for her was then effectively destroyed.
but i think curing Harmona wasn't Darcia's only motive for stealing Cheza. he was probably also trying to reclaim her due to the fact that his family created her, and therefore she rightfully belonged to him.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jun 29, 2006 8:18:04 GMT -5
I assume he wanted her to open a type of paradise that would bring Harmona's soul back to her. (Almost like that old indian did for Kiba).
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Post by armand on Jun 29, 2006 22:57:31 GMT -5
hmm, i never really thought about that before. maybe he figured since Cheza was the only one that could lead him to Paradise he could use her to get there and thus be together again with Harmona. remember when he was fighting Kiba in the keep and Kiba told him why he and the other wolves wanted Cheza so desperately? Harmona had just died, so Darcia's need for her was then effectively destroyed. but i think curing Harmona wasn't Darcia's only motive for stealing Cheza. he was probably also trying to reclaim her due to the fact that his family created her, and therefore she rightfully belonged to him. I'm glad you are active again...if only Scarred could witness your return...where art thou David?....where art thou... I do remember Darcia promising Hamona that he would take her to Paradise. Then again, that was before she fell ill. And Darcia does treat Cheza like an object...but I don't believe he stole her just because it belonged to him... But what good will opening paradise do to Hamona? If I'm not mistaken...Paradise is slowly stealing Hamona's soul...but where is her soul going to? Paradise? So perhaps he wants to open paradise in order to reunite with Hamona once more? If that is true, then what paradise is he hoping to open? The noble's paradise or the wolves' paradise? I don't believe at that time he knew he was a chosen wolf and therefore would not attempt to open the wolves' paradise. Now, my other question, what was his plan? To take Cheza back and try to open paradise? Was it in his plan to lure Kiba into his keep like Jagara did? And what exactly was he smoking...leaving Hamona all alone even though he knows Jagara is already making a move.... Sean:...almost like the elder of the Hmong tribe did...the elder did not have to try and open some type of paradise in order to bring Kiba's soul back... |
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jun 29, 2006 23:28:35 GMT -5
I know that, that is why I said it was an example the way - you better have known what the f**k I was saying, I am not typing it out you sleeper.
And he OBVIOUSLY didn't know Jagara was going to target him, he was thinking she'd still be preoccupied with Lord Orkham.
When Jagara attacked him and killed Harmona, Darcia didn't know what to do. When Kiba came looking for Cheza, he took out his frustration on Kiba. (Remember the famous line "I no longer have any need... for a..... future.")
After that, we don't see him for awhile. I believe Darcia finally realized what he was put on this Earth to do, and that was to challenge Kiba for the right to open Paradise. Because if Kiba and company couldn't fight off Darcia, do they honestly deserve to go to Paradise?
So, I don't think it was Darcia's plan to lure Kiba in, after Harmona died, he wanted Cheza to open up Paradise, a world filled with despair (as Kiba said it would be, I believe), because that was all he had left to live for.
"But as you live you need a reason, otherwise it is the same as being dead." - I believe this is from Naruto, but it holds true.
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Post by ookami de kokoro on Jun 30, 2006 18:19:44 GMT -5
I'm glad you are active again...if only Scarred could witness your return...where art thou David?....where art thou... I do remember Darcia promising Hamona that he would take her to Paradise. Then again, that was before she fell ill. And Darcia does treat Cheza like an object...but I don't believe he stole her just because it belonged to him... But what good will opening paradise do to Hamona? If I'm not mistaken...Paradise is slowly stealing Hamona's soul...but where is her soul going to? Paradise? So perhaps he wants to open paradise in order to reunite with Hamona once more? If that is true, then what paradise is he hoping to open? The noble's paradise or the wolves' paradise? I don't believe at that time he knew he was a chosen wolf and therefore would not attempt to open the wolves' paradise. Now, my other question, what was his plan? To take Cheza back and try to open paradise? Was it in his plan to lure Kiba into his keep like Jagara did? And what exactly was he smoking...leaving Hamona all alone even though he knows Jagara is already making a move.... well, i didn't say that reclaiming Cheza simply because she belonged to his family was the only motive Darcia had for stealing her. but i did figure that Darcia believed that since Paradise was stealing Harmona's soul, Paradise must be where she is. maybe he didn't know that there was such a thing as a "Nobles' Paradise" before he saw Jagara's, and that he used to believe there was only one Paradise: the one opened by the wolves. even though he didn't know he was one of the 'chosen wolves', he might've believed that he could find a way to open it himself since he had some form of wolf in him. i also think that Darcia didn't plan on luring Kiba into his keep, and that it was just Kiba coming to reclaim Cheza that brought him there. Darcia most likely needed Cheza in order to attempt to open Paradise, and i agree with Sean when he said that Darcia probably didn't think Jagara would attack him or Harmona at that point. |
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Post by blue15372 on Jul 2, 2006 12:26:00 GMT -5
I remember hearing something like that.
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Post by ookami de kokoro on Jul 2, 2006 14:38:34 GMT -5
I remember hearing something like that. O.o like what? |
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Post by blue15372 on Jul 2, 2006 17:19:38 GMT -5
Darcia always wanted Cheza.When Cheza escaped.Darcia went looking for her.But Darcia had bigger problems than just looking for the flower maiden.Kiba and his pack were either with Cheza or searching for Cheza while looking for paradise.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 2, 2006 21:19:40 GMT -5
Well yeah, he wanted her for paradise
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Jul 10, 2006 3:35:02 GMT -5
The problem with your question is the story just has a gap here. I got my friend into WR a while back and she was puzzled as to what "paradise sickness" is. Our only given answer is "her soul is gone".
Because of this, I've always thought he was looking for paradise with the use of cheza because, in paradise, you're happy? Like, blissfully. He could escape the pain of her absence. Also, he always wanted to take her to paradise. Maybe he wanted to stay true to that promise; even in death? It's all speculation.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 10, 2006 10:27:23 GMT -5
Well, he was keeping her alive, so he must have thought/known that if he were to get to Paradise, her soul would come back to her.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Jul 10, 2006 18:25:15 GMT -5
Maybe he just wanted to look at her pretty body. ;] I mean he didn't have to bury her.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 10, 2006 21:22:53 GMT -5
Naw... because... as soon as Jagara's troops killed her, he freaked out and said "I no longer have any need... for a..... future."
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Post by ookami de kokoro on Jul 11, 2006 0:53:07 GMT -5
well, i didn't say that reclaiming Cheza simply because she belonged to his family was the only motive Darcia had for stealing her. but i did figure that Darcia believed that since Paradise was stealing Harmona's soul, Paradise must be where she is. maybe he didn't know that there was such a thing as a "Nobles' Paradise" before he saw Jagara's, and that he used to believe there was only one Paradise: the one opened by the wolves. even though he didn't know he was one of the 'chosen wolves', he might've believed that he could find a way to open it himself since he had some form of wolf in him. i also think that Darcia didn't plan on luring Kiba into his keep, and that it was just Kiba coming to reclaim Cheza that brought him there. Darcia most likely needed Cheza in order to attempt to open Paradise, and i agree with Sean when he said that Darcia probably didn't think Jagara would attack him or Harmona at that point. well, like i said earlier: Darcia once stated that "Paradise Sickness" was stealing Harmona's soul, and so i believe that her soul must be in Paradise. therefore, if Darcia wanted to be with her again, he would have to use Cheza in order to open Paradise for him. he was keeping Harmona alive until he could reunite with her in Paradise, but once she was dead, as Sean said, Darcia spoke his famous line: "i no longer have any need for a future." i don't think it's a story gap, i think it's just lack of details. oh well, as long as the main idea gets conveyed, right? |
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