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Post by armand on Aug 21, 2005 14:26:13 GMT -5
All right, lets first start off with WTF? Damn, the ending has me confused and i don't know what to think anymore. All of that destruction was caused by a puppy. There is no better quote to explain this than, "The whole world is about to end over a Goddamn puppy"(something along those lines). So, just because a little girl couldn't tell her dad that her dog was ran over by a car, Tokyo was destroyed?
And then, in the end, Maniwa turning into that old man, writing the equation and all. Making it all seem like it was going to happen again but this time it would be because of a dead kitten. Another cyclical anime, how wonderful.
Hell, i need to buy the DVDs, i know I'll find the answers there.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Aug 21, 2005 20:30:45 GMT -5
Yeah I saw that the Final Episode was last night... but since PA sucks I turned it off... so everything happened was because the spirit of a puppy? What a gay anime...
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Post by armand on Aug 22, 2005 21:45:29 GMT -5
Yeah I saw that the Final Episode was last night... but since PA sucks I turned it off... so everything happened was because the spirit of a puppy? What a gay anime... Thank god you don't like PA, that makes me feel much better. Well i went and bought the last DVD of PA and i was surprised that AS cut off the prophetic vision. Well, i wasn't surprised but i was very pissed off. Those bastards keep chopping important pieces out of every anime. Here is the prophetic vision for the last episode: "To begin, the story that seems to have ended spins back to the place where it began. Following each stepping stone and connecting the dots, you find the eternal castle of recurring dreams. No mystery remains unsolved forever, and no answer is without mystery. Well, then. We bid you farewell." A pretty nice ending that sums it all up. Yet what the hell was PA about? I had to think about it really hard and i have come up with my own interpretation. Well, this whole thing started with Tsukiko Sagi saying that she was attacked by an elementary kid with a bat when in fact she inflected her own wound. She made it all up because she was under pressure and felt cornered. Then the media spread this and L'il Slugger was born. Then people felt that L'il Slugger was the solution to their problems. First it was Akio Kawazu who used him, i now believe it was him that inflected his own wound as well. Then a copy cat arose and attacked the fat kid. Yuichi was blamed for it and in order to escape it all he faked that he was attacked as well. To make the long story short, all the victims faked their attacks in order to escape from reality. However, L'il Slugger was not the answer to their problems, their paranoia came back because they did not face reality. Then all of this spread through Tokyo like a black ooze, to me it was the citizens themselves who destroyed Tokyo and blamed it on L'il Slugger. Once they let out all of that paranoia, L'il Slugger was gone. However, there is another take on it. Yes, i still don't know what to think. PA might just be another metaphorical anime that really has no scientific or rational answers. Tsukiko brought L'il Slugger into this world by lying to her father about her dog being killed. Her father always wanted a boy but that day Tsukiko had a menstrual cramp and left Maromi by herself. Maromi was later on ran over by a car and L'il Slugger was born out of Tsukiko's mind. When Tsukiko was once again cornered, she used him as a solution to her problems. But this time, L'il Slugger was spread thanks to the media to other people. It seems that L'il Slugger grows stronger as the paranoia of people increases(in this theory, L'il Slugger has somehow become part of the physical world). L'il Slugger then attacks people who are looking for a way out. After so many rumors L'il Slugger grows so powerful that he engulfs all of Tokyo. But his creator, Tsukiko, decides to face the truth and realize that it was her fault that her dog died. Then, L'il Slugger disappears as he is no longer needed as an excuse. But then it all ends with people being once again paranoid and a new Maromi, a cute little cat, being the new way out. Hmmm..., a cute cat, where have i seen this before? Somehow the words Hello Kitty comes to mind. So all of this might just be social commentary from the creator. Telling his viewers that you cannot live your life by escaping reality. And how do his viewers escape reality? Anime. And finally the whole moral of the story is, that if you lie, then the whole world will be destroyed.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Aug 22, 2005 23:46:31 GMT -5
I hope the kitten didn't get run over
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Post by armand on Aug 23, 2005 21:20:51 GMT -5
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Aug 23, 2005 23:35:16 GMT -5
I have that picture on my Myspace The kitty is soooo cuteee Poor cats... I wuv cats... Awwww
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Aug 25, 2005 2:10:57 GMT -5
Yay a thread about the last episode.
OKay armand, you confirmed all of my suspicions about the episode and the ending. I didn't understand the end with Maniwa, but now i do. Thanks. I got volume 1 today from netflix and i might just buy them all. The last episode made all my "paranoia" and confusion dissolve.
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Post by Crickie on Aug 26, 2005 19:39:36 GMT -5
lol...I also don't like Paranoia Agent. I never did understand it, but watch it out of lack of something better to watch. I didn't really get the last episode at all. I was really sad that that girl's puppy got run over, but I'm not sure I understood how Lil' Slugger was born out of this girl not being able to tell her father that her dog was run over by a car. I like Armand's speculation. At the moment, it makes the most sense. Very well thought-out.
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Post by armand on Aug 26, 2005 21:40:28 GMT -5
Well, in order to understand and enjoy Paranoia Agent you need to watch it a couple of times. And then some.
I don't think there is nothing sadder then watching a dead puppy.
Well, I'll try to explain L'il Slugger's birth once again. All right, Tsukiko was afraid to tell her father that Miromi was run over by a car. Her father was very strict and would probably "punish" Tsukiko severely. Also, he would probably question her why she left Miromi alone. And Tsukiko would have to tell him that she had a menstrual cramp. That would make her father even madder because he always wanted a boy. So, she did the easiest thing. She blamed it on someone else, L'il Slugger. An imaginary boy at best.
The last episode was good but my favorite episode still is Happy Family Planning.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Aug 31, 2005 10:35:06 GMT -5
Yeah, little slugger was never really there, people just kept using him as an excuse for their problems.
Last time i posted it was because i saw episodes 2-13, now that i saw episode 1 on dvd it makes sense.
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Post by armand on Aug 31, 2005 22:16:29 GMT -5
Yeah, little slugger was never really there, people just kept using him as an excuse for their problems. Well, at the beginning, i believed there was a real L'il Slugger. Then after the old lady's testimony, i began to believe this was another stand alone complex. And at the end, i finally realized that he was nothing more than a product of the human mind. However, Devinfire once commented that the incident where Fox(the copy cat) was supposedly murdered proved that L'il Slugger was real. His reasoning was based on the fact that both Maniwa and the Chief saw L'il Slugger as he was exiting. Now there is something i can't explain rationally.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Aug 31, 2005 22:30:50 GMT -5
Holes in the anime... happens to everything (even WR)
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Post by Shamdeo on Aug 31, 2005 22:36:32 GMT -5
I mentioned in the other thread that Satoshi Kon's animes are usually up for interpretation by each individual viewer. It might mean one thing to one person, and an entirely different thing to another. Even though physically impossible, Tsukiko's darkest fears materialized in the real world. Often, Satoshi Kon's work contains allegory to the issues of the time. Whoever realizes what PA's allegory is gets a cookie.
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Post by Rikku on Sept 3, 2005 12:28:14 GMT -5
I didn't understand it. I thought it sucked.
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Post by Shamdeo on Sept 3, 2005 18:35:00 GMT -5
Probably because, as you said, you didn't understand it.
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