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Post by DJ Toboe on May 10, 2005 12:42:41 GMT -5
look you guys, look what you did to devinfire, who only posted a pic for you guys to see. he's no professional- but DJ you dont even have your own fanart, so stop complaining. hypocrites... im sorry devinfire, i think it is really good, im not bull shitting you. Look, I know that. I'm practicing and will post when I think it's good enough. I can judge other people's work without having the ability to draw any better. My talents are currently in other areas, and that doesn't mean I can't identify good and bad art. This doesn't make me a hypocrite. I also think you need to lay off Sekioh. Yes when I put "acquire" in quotes I meant that if you're using Photoshop for only minor edits, to me it's morally okay to get a copy from a friend or something like that. To talk to me like I'm stupid was completely uncalled for. I KNOW people on these forums don't have the money and that's why I said acquire. Did I say buy? No I didn't. And Fallen Noble, you have REALLY been jumping on everyone's ass about every little thing. I saw you in the newbie topic trying to regulate by spamming yourself! You're going overboard trying to be a mod here, and I think it's pissing everyone off. You're not a mod! You're not going to be a mod! Stop acting like one! Sekioh I agree with you 100% You have the freedom to give your own critique on art posted. It was helpful critique. It's not like he said 2/10 BECAUSE IT SUCKS! He explained why he gavae the rating he did and it was completely called for. Not all Wolf's Rain fanart is 8/10+ Learn to accept this.
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Post by Kiyomi on May 10, 2005 12:52:59 GMT -5
DJ is right once again... people need to get sand out of thier ... neeeeveerrrrmiiiinddd
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Post by chezamaiden on May 10, 2005 14:21:45 GMT -5
I also think you need to lay off Sekioh. Yes when I put "acquire" in quotes I meant that if you're using Photoshop for only minor edits, to me it's morally okay to get a copy from a friend or something like that. To talk to me like I'm stupid was completely uncalled for. I KNOW people on these forums don't have the money and that's why I said acquire. Did I say buy? No I didn't. Yes and you will also see that if you handle things in a rational manner with me...you get a rational response. I agree there is no harm in getting a copy from a friend, as this is how I got my Photoshop, but for Sekioh to get on here and bluntly call me stupid...that set me off. I am in no way stupid as he so "sarcasstically" called me. As for the illegal downloading and stuff that was mentioned, this was in no way directed at you...as he was the one that mentioned it first. I know these are ways of aquiring Photoshop, but as I said before...I'm not going to condone it in public. I'll admit...I said things that should not have been said, but when someone gets on here calling me stupid, or whatever... I will give a response and it probably won't be a good one. You give negativity and you recieve it. I'm not saying he was all at fault, but he was part of it, and he was attacking people and trying to push them around as much as it was vice versa. I never once asked him to change his rate...not once. Granted I thought it was a little low, but that's only because of all the levels stuff and extra comments that were posted afterwards. It was a little much, and I know if someone got in my art thread posting that...I'd believe them to be putting me down. We all have reasons for our thoughts, but we shouldn't carry them overboard like this.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on May 10, 2005 14:27:51 GMT -5
Look, I know that. I'm practicing and will post when I think it's good enough. I can judge other people's work without having the ability to draw any better. My talents are currently in other areas, and that doesn't mean I can't identify good and bad art. This doesn't make me a hypocrite. I also think you need to lay off Sekioh. Yes when I put "acquire" in quotes I meant that if you're using Photoshop for only minor edits, to me it's morally okay to get a copy from a friend or something like that. To talk to me like I'm stupid was completely uncalled for. I KNOW people on these forums don't have the money and that's why I said acquire. Did I say buy? No I didn't. And Fallen Noble, you have REALLY been jumping on everyone's ass about every little thing. I saw you in the newbie topic trying to regulate by spamming yourself! You're going overboard trying to be a mod here, and I think it's pissing everyone off. You're not a mod! You're not going to be a mod! Stop acting like one! Sekioh I agree with you 100% You have the freedom to give your own critique on art posted. It was helpful critique. It's not like he said 2/10 BECAUSE IT SUCKS! He explained why he gavae the rating he did and it was completely called for. Not all Wolf's Rain fanart is 8/10+ Learn to accept this. I am trying to get ppl to follow the rules- when they disobey them i say "hey, could u follow them?" you do the same exact thing, so please shut it. and yes, i wouldnt criticize in an area im not good at, which is something i advise you to do. Please do not talk about people getting pissed off at me, because a LOT of ppl get pissed of by your spamming and immature flirting. did u need to list why u hate me? no u didnt, it is irrelevant. i believe u just used this as an excuse to bitch at me- but i wont be as low and bitch back, despite your many crimes to this forum's intelligence. the whole me helping the forums thing has NOTHING to do with this thread, u shoved it in to be annoying. as for the newbies thread, KibaFan said "sorry, i feel like spamming" and then Dark said "only newbies here, remember?" and no one listened, so i said "HEY! we arent supposed to be here." i was enforcing the rules, by being a good citizen. if u would like me not to enforce rules, that is quite odd and is basically asking "hey when someone breaks the rules do not tell them to follow." i would really hope that you 3 dont triple bash someone's art again- especially when its good. he posted his art for ppl to enjoy, and u critique it for such small, minimal details. i am not going to argue in Devinfire's poor thread anymore, if u would like to bitch at me DJ, hurl it at pm, aim, or yim please. i cant beleive u 3 have to gang up all bashing and being sarcasting and frankly, immature. criticism is one thing, but the way you do it is quite offensive and rude. look what we did to his thread. im not one to call people "mean" but in this case, i just don't see why you all had to get so worked up over this- ridiculous.
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Post by devinfire on May 10, 2005 15:42:47 GMT -5
Well if we lock all the threads then we never will get our problems solved, then more and more will get locked and eventually nobody will be allowed to post in a forum like the RP section And I'd like to see more too, and sorry for this but, you DO need occasional criticism to accomplish anything, I offer my judgement to cause you to continue working on it. And Lameo is not a good way to drop it DORK problems like these, which have originated on a silly fanart thread, should not be solved in it. I mean seriously... how in the world did one piece of fanart lead to a argument between 5 ppl? was it because of my half-hearted post to Sekioh? which by the way... was meant to be light-hearted Sekioh, sorry if it came off in another way, but either way i wish the mods would come around more often... because this thread needs to be locked, and DJ, Fallen Noble is only trying to enforce the rules because seldom times are the mods ever here to do it... and dj, you need to get over some stuff yourself, namely you need to stop being so offensive to ppl that do not agree with Sekioh. is the reason you and tooboe came to this thread because ppl were disagreeing with his rating? the rating is fine, i really don't care if he wanted to give it a low rating, it's his choice, and we know this. you should also lay off fallen for trying to keep the forums clean, don't be pissed at him just because he follows the rules. dj, the leveling was alittle low aswell, your acting as if your searching FOR reasons to hate the art, not actually seeing, and I know exactly why your doing this, because you will defend Sekioh's opinion over anyone else's here no matter what. tooboe... im positive that you came to this thread only to help and defend dj and sekioh... maybe not sekioh, but dj for sure. every post you have made in this thread involves dj and how right he is, without any reason of ur own as to why you think that... last but not least, if you think it's a 5 fine. it gets a five because the leveling is bad? what the hell is leveling? i dunno, i don't really care either. like i said before, what i do, i do with my talent, not a programs, but if you think it's a 5 so be it. you are entitled to your opinion, but do not act like a total bigot when ppl disagree with an opinion that's very outragous. sigh... damn look at this. i don't think i have ever posted with such anger.
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Post by Lady Amalthea on May 10, 2005 17:48:46 GMT -5
I don't know what you guys have rammed up your ass but I like it. I wish I could draw half as good as that, all I can do is stick figures.
Don't have anything nice to say, bite your tounge and don't say anything at all.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on May 10, 2005 18:02:29 GMT -5
I don't know what you guys have rammed up your ass but I like it. I wish I could draw half as good as that, all I can do is stick figures. Don't have anything nice to say, bite your tounge and don't say anything at all. i know!! like ive said, its good. ppl most really awful art here and everyone goes "AMAZING!!" anyway, if you HAVE to critique it, try to be reasonable or fair, and if you HAVE to be unfair when u critique it, at least be polite about it- geez.
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Post by Machiavelli on May 10, 2005 18:27:08 GMT -5
Dear me, what a mess.
First I feel the need to point out the fact that you cannot simply rate art other than what it is in your opinion, it is not like a political truth or a scientific law. For example The Scream is one of my favorite paintings, I love the emotion of horror expressed at our own mortality. You know what though? Most of my friends think it is hideous even though it is considered to be one of the best paintings of all time. In short there is no definite number, it is relative to the person.
Second it seems like I have stepped into an alternate universe where Scarred is calling people "mean", DJ, Sekioh and Tooboe are defending their meanness and I am a moderate! This bloody well shouldn't be like this, stop it, the four of you are screwing up a perfectly good thread and confusing me!
Finally, Devin I like the picture and give it a 7. Of course my opinion is being based on the ability of an average person to produce art.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on May 10, 2005 18:42:19 GMT -5
Sorry- i wont use the word "mean" again. I was annoyed, and it slipped out. Post edited.
with that said, let this be finished - its over, everyone has stated their opinions on his drawing, and you have crushed his self esteem as an artist. I made the first of a batch of fanarts for WR, but im afraid to post them after this... let's just let other people now review his art- and not discuss this further on his thread.
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Post by Lady Amalthea on May 10, 2005 19:02:27 GMT -5
Want to see some real bad fan art? now that's bad. Yeay ms paint.
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Post by devinfire on May 10, 2005 19:25:46 GMT -5
yes, it is over. the sooner this thread is locked the better, because obviously this will not end. why? you have three guys that are willing to support eachother to the death it seems. they want their opinions to be justified, and unless ppl agree, it wont end. but anyway, to those ppl that liked it thanks, it's appreciated alot.
on a more funnier note, this is the second time a fanart thread of mine has been extremely deviated... somehow I find it amusing though.
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Post by chezamaiden on May 10, 2005 20:36:47 GMT -5
Well...it was a good pic. I still rate it 8/10. And Blue Chan... I kinda like that Cheza.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on May 10, 2005 21:09:34 GMT -5
Well...it was a good pic. I still rate it 8/10. And Blue Chan... I kinda like that Cheza. same here!! it made me laugh (out loud actually, from shock, and the little thing cheza says adds to its hilarity ;D) i know devinfire, i dont find it amusing though- you have made only 2 threads- this one and the "want avatars?" thread, and both times Sekioh and DJ came on and began ripping on you.
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Post by Lady Amalthea on May 10, 2005 23:48:41 GMT -5
*gets out paintbrush*
It because i am teh artist with mad skillzz
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Post by devinfire on May 11, 2005 2:02:10 GMT -5
same here!! it made me laugh (out loud actually, from shock, and the little thing cheza says adds to its hilarity ;D) i know devinfire, i dont find it amusing though- you have made only 2 threads- this one and the "want avatars?" thread, and both times Sekioh and DJ came on and began ripping on you. actually, i'd forgotten about the avatar thread, but your right, there Sekioh and DJ both insulted me and my work while posting the same crap I do, saying it was better, in the same thread. so, i guess it's three art threads that deviated... don't forget my first one... where, ahem two ppl turned it into a chatroom. at least the hige thread remained safe from sek n' dj.
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