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Post by OnlyFuture on Jun 20, 2005 15:10:31 GMT -5
well i haven't seen very many new topics in wolf chat so here i'm to stir things up
(may contain spoilers but what do u expect were talking about the show)
ok in the earlier eps where the wolfs (hige tsume toboe and kiba) meet blue all of them but hige gave her the cold shoulder....they did this b/c they were at one point hunted by blue
now my question to you is how would blue+hige and the rest of the story altered if hige was hunted by blue?
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Post by Crickie on Jun 20, 2005 15:25:14 GMT -5
Well, the way I see it, Kiba didn't really give her the cold shoulder. I think he'd have still let her into the pack to travel with them (since he was the one who mainly convinced her to stay in 'Men's Lament') and there just possibly might not have been as deep of a romance.
Tsume still would not have trusted her, and I think that Toboe would have still warmed up to her the way he did and Hige still would want to bone her somewhere along the line in the series, because Blue seemed pretty eager to make good with all of them and put her past negative doings behind her.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Jun 20, 2005 17:50:17 GMT -5
Yeah they didnt realy give her the cold shoulder, except Tsume + Toboe at the beginning, but they all warmed up to her, except Tsume who hated her til the end...
I think that if Hige was hunted down by her, he wouldn't change anything and would still love her... he even said "thats okay i dont mind being hunted down by a girl", even though he was kidding.
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Post by Lady Amalthea on Jun 20, 2005 18:30:35 GMT -5
It's always been my secret wish to be a Blue X Tsume pairing (don't ask me why). Although it is never going to happened, I can dream.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jun 20, 2005 20:57:18 GMT -5
Hige X Toboe is mine
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Jun 20, 2005 21:56:14 GMT -5
This thread wasnt meant to post pairings....
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Post by gynocrat on Jun 21, 2005 11:40:32 GMT -5
This thread wasnt meant to post pairings.... If you didn't mean to be snarky you sound that way, sorry.  Yet it's inevitable since bascially what's being asked is about Blue and Hige's relationship if she'd hunted him as ferociously as she had Tsume of course trust would be more difficult to attain and friendship harder to come by with Hige. Hige's overactive libido shouldn't be precurser to a love affair with Blue, but since fandom is all about our own fever dreams with other characters, than this pairing choice is just as logical and Hige with Toboe or anyone else. As for the main question: I think Hige's lives a relatively lonely life which is why he latched on to Kiba so easily. His Wolf-without-a-pack-syndrome is a sharp contrast toTsume's who choses to live through his lonliness without clinging to others. |
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Jun 21, 2005 12:27:32 GMT -5
What i meant by that was that i thought we were discussing the actual show, what we think would happen, not what we WANT and dream to happen...
As for me, if Blue attacked him too, i dont think he would change his love for her. But, if he did, i am pretty sure he wouldn't turn homosexual and turn towards his pack for a male mate. No offense yaoi fans, but in the show it is 100% apparent he is straight. You can of course fantasize, but it's not implied in the show or anything. I just think he would forget about it, sympathize with her and just nothing would change.
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Post by Crickie on Jun 21, 2005 12:57:49 GMT -5
I disagree.
Even in the show, the way it was, I feel like Hige and Blue's relationship was extremely rushed. In episode 12, they're meeting for the first time. Just barely twelve episodes later (let's not forget that they were separated from episode....what...14? 15? until about 24 or 25), they're shouting their undying love for one another from the rooftops. They probably barely even spent a week and a half, cumulatively, together.
Hige latched to Cole just the way he latched to Blue, only Blue was around longer, and the conditions were slightly better (Blue wasn't taken, and wasn't part of a pack of sorry-ass wolves selling themselves out as working dogs). No doubt to me, had Cole not been more or less devoted to Zali, She and Hige would have been like the Hige/Blue that we saw in the show. This leads me to believe that any female that was a wolf that had come along first would have eventually led to the same result.
I think that Hige would have eventually gotten over it, had she hunted him. His love for females and good nature would not have let him stay mad. Toboe got over it, Kiba, I think was over it and understood from the very start. They all have too much in common to be petty like that. Tsume only stayed mad because it's a defense mechanism for him. You notice that he wasn't even hating on her for hunting them past 'Don't Make Me Blue'. Everything after that was strictly discriminatory based on the fact that 1) she was half-wolf and 2) that she was at one time a pet, like Toboe.
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Post by Soul on Jun 21, 2005 16:06:10 GMT -5
I disagree. Even in the show, the way it was, I feel like Hige and Blue's relationship was extremely rushed. In episode 12, they're meeting for the first time. Just barely twelve episodes later (let's not forget that they were separated from episode....what...14? 15? until about 24 or 25), they're shouting their undying love for one another from the rooftops. They probably barely even spent a week and a half, cumulatively, together. Hige latched to Cole just the way he latched to Blue, only Blue was around longer, and the conditions were slightly better (Blue wasn't taken, and wasn't part of a pack of sorry-ass wolves selling themselves out as working dogs). No doubt to me, had Cole not been more or less devoted to Zali, She and Hige would have been like the Hige/Blue that we saw in the show. This leads me to believe that any female that was a wolf that had come along first would have eventually led to the same result. I think that Hige would have eventually gotten over it, had she hunted him. His love for females and good nature would not have let him stay mad. Toboe got over it, Kiba, I think was over it and understood from the very start. They all have too much in common to be petty like that. Tsume only stayed mad because it's a defense mechanism for him. You notice that he wasn't even hating on her for hunting them past 'Don't Make Me Blue'. Everything after that was strictly discriminatory based on the fact that 1) she was half-wolf and 2) that she was at one time a pet, like Toboe. Mhmm, I agree. Clearly I'm not the only one who thinks the Hige/Blue pairing was a bit reminiscant of Romeo and Juliet in that it sprung out from virtually no where and had little value that would lead us to believe it would have been a successful long-term relationship. However, unlike Romeo and Juliet, this pairing was not the musterings of a literary genius trying to prove a point, but rather a last minute need for a generic lack-luster pairing. Hige was also the only pack member really capable or willing to have a relationship with a member of the opposite sex. Toboe was still young (and arguably homosexual), Tsume was abnormally distant and unresponsive (and also arguably gay), and Kiba....well I doubt mating instincts even crossed that wolf's mind, except perhaps with Myu...but that was only after he forgot about paradise and Cheza. Also, I'm not trying to be the Blue Basher, but she came off as the sort of personality that craved being "with someone," whether romantically or just as a stable dominearing figure. I think she would have developed a relationship with Hige regardless of whether or not she tracked him at one point. |
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Post by Crickie on Jun 21, 2005 17:51:55 GMT -5
True nuff, true nuff.
Blue exhibited to me some severe sort of clingy overattachment and something that just might resemble daddy issues.
She was attached to Pops, yeah, but the minute he 'discarded' her, she latched to the next man who gave her some sort of attention. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that the woman's a ho or anything. Nothing of the sort. Her personality was made as such so that it would mesh perfectly with Hige's "Any girl will do." attitude.
I think they were positively cute together. But I hate how the relationship just wasnt given the time it deserved to legitimately build up to the point where you felt it was real, and genuinely felt sad when they died together.
I was bummed, but more like a "that sucks..." bummed than a real "I'm horribly sad! I can't believe it!"
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Post by gynocrat on Jun 24, 2005 19:08:21 GMT -5
What exactly are you disagreeing with? I stated in what you quoted fandom is all about our own fever dreams with other characters, than this pairing choice is just as logical and Hige with Toboe or anyone else. I didn't say it was the pairing, I just said it makes sense in that fans will pair them because that's what a majority of creators in the fandom do. They pair and analyze relationships in the characters that aren't always shown in the broadcast.  Gynocrat |
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Post by gynocrat on Jun 24, 2005 19:12:51 GMT -5
Also, I'm not trying to be the Blue Basher, but she came off as the sort of personality that craved being "with someone," whether romantically or just as a stable dominearing figure. I think she would have developed a relationship with Hige regardless of whether or not she tracked him at one point. I have to agree the character of Blue was underdeveloped for a series so character driven. It was as if they were trying to play her off as lost and without direction as she really was. The 'dog' side is portrayed as fiercly loyal and subservient while her wolf side is looking for some place in the world. I guess it's the Japanese sublet ideal again that being female equals being indecisive.  They've yet to make a female character I can truly respect... -G |
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Post by Crickie on Jun 24, 2005 20:16:57 GMT -5
What exactly are you disagreeing with? I stated in what you quoted fandom is all about our own fever dreams with other characters, than this pairing choice is just as logical and Hige with Toboe or anyone else. I didn't say it was the pairing, I just said it makes sense in that fans will pair them because that's what a majority of creators in the fandom do. They pair and analyze relationships in the characters that aren't always shown in the broadcast. Gynocrat I'm only disagreeing with your point that Hige's overactive libido shouldn't be a percursor to a love affair with Blue. I believe that Hige's overactive libido would be a percursor to a romance with any female that comes around and stays around. That seems to be the way he was written...if it's a woman, and she pays attention to him, then Hige's ten kinds of smitten. Of course, there is some flaw in my belief, being that there were only two females wolves in the show that Hige came in contact with, not nearly enough to effectively work off of, but with those two, I calls 'em as I sees 'em. Nothing to do with the fandom comment:) We see eye-to-eye in that department. |
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Post by ghostlyw0lf on Jun 26, 2005 20:34:57 GMT -5
I think that they needed to add more "things" to the story line. They thought it would be an asset to the show, you know make it better. I think it did.
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