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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 18, 2005 22:37:00 GMT -5
Darcia had to intervene because he needed Cheza to try and get Harmona back to life. Remember?
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Post by devinfire on Jul 18, 2005 22:42:48 GMT -5
Yeah. That brings up an interesting topic, does anyone else think that maybe Darcia's eye took control of him after Harmona officially died?
Darcia states that the Harmona he loved was gone for good, so why did he want Paradise so much? I think it's because his eye took influence over him.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 18, 2005 23:15:08 GMT -5
After she died... yes his Wolf side was coming out more and more and it craved Rakuen
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Jul 19, 2005 1:18:21 GMT -5
See, what im confused about is, if that road led to paradise, and darcia interrupted them, he would've gone to paradise then. That's why he kidnapped Cheza, isnt' it? He said it was only a dream, so im guessing the road wasn't going to lead to paradise, but that still doesn't answer what it was leading to...
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 19, 2005 1:39:14 GMT -5
Those 4 were just dreaming... that was not the real paradise obviously.... the real entrance to paradise was on that one mountain
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Post by SHE on Jul 19, 2005 9:59:52 GMT -5
Well Scarred, as I said, the trail may have led to Paradise. My reasoning on this is, Darcia may not have been ready for it to open yet, so his reason for stopping the wolves. It goes with the fact he took Cheza for Paradise, but maybe it was so he could open Paradise himself when he was ready. Sure there's a possiblity that's not how it is at all, but :
1) The wolves were too hyped up about all that was happening. 2) What reason would Cheza have to lead them anywhere else? It seemed to me she knew pretty much what she was doing the whole time.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 19, 2005 13:59:01 GMT -5
It was all an illusion, it wan't real. Remember... You must lose everything before you enter paradise. How could all of them go then?
It's just me, but I believe all humans have to be dead before Paradise can be reached. Humans are wolves that turned their back on what they use to be. Darcia calls them unclean... you can't be unclean and enter paradise. The world has to be rid of them before paradise can be found. Or, thats how I look at it anyways
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Post by Soul on Jul 19, 2005 14:08:28 GMT -5
It was all an illusion, it wan't real. Remember... You must lose everything before you enter paradise. How could all of them go then? It's just me, but I believe all humans have to be dead before Paradise can be reached. Humans are wolves that turned their back on what they use to be. Darcia calls them unclean... you can't be unclean and enter paradise. The world has to be rid of them before paradise can be found. Or, thats how I look at it anyways Not just humans, everything on earth must perish in order for the process to begin. "You must lose everything," as Darcia said, and I think was meant to include Kiba's life. Cheza seeds were preserved and sprouted. Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe the blood of Kiba and Cheza mixed as a solution was nouishment for the seeds? When the blood combinedit appeared to be water, a pure substance. Cheza then says something along the lines of "Because you have protected this one, the world will start again." Maybe their fused blood was proof of this devotion,and was essentially what allowed the seeds to grow. Or maybe I'm reading WAYYYY to far into this.
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Post by devinfire on Jul 19, 2005 20:40:06 GMT -5
Well, wasn't it said that the ingridients to open paradise was Cheza and the chosen wolfs blood? It's mentioned in the book of the moon I believe.
Cheza and Kiba's blood mixing may have activated paradise, who knows. As for the flower path being an illusion, yeah it was an illusion, but it was leading them somewhere, thats for sure. Had Darcia not have interrupted, where would they have ended up? The first mountain? And before that, we must remember that a seal was still on paradise when the flower path was generated, so entering paradise was impossible then. In the end, the flower path was most likely leading them toward the first mountain. also, take note that after Darcia interrupted them, the moon turned red.
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Post by SHE on Jul 20, 2005 1:22:31 GMT -5
Yes, thank you Devinfire, you managed to say what I couldn't get across. My mind is confused, too much arguing.
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Post by Whiskers on Aug 1, 2005 19:11:41 GMT -5
(Why did I include a picture of my cat you ask? because I can.) Now to me the cats eyes look hazel. Let's look at the the little pic at the on the top right, the right eye (your right, not the cat's right) has a blue glare but the other one does not. Now I have a theory... you have heard that the wolves come back as humans, what did the humans come back as? Animals? Perhaps the kitten is Quent. Now before you burst out laughing at the idea of Quent being a kitten consider the following Toboe does not show fondness for cats when he is a wolf I think he even mentions something to tsume about not liking them. We see him at the end openly showing affection and holding this kitten, remember how Toboe promised Blue if she was not around he would look after Quent. Perhaps that is what he is doing. Those are my two cents. Good theory. The clothes that the cat is on looks suspiciously like Quent's trench-coat, too.
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Post by OnlyFuture on Aug 1, 2005 21:49:31 GMT -5
Well my theory after reading all your theories is one i actually just came up with sitting here but i seem to like mine more and more so here i'll throw it out whats the worst that can happen you call me stupid yea well lifes life
anyway i do believe the cat that IF it was someone from the show it would have to be quent...now i also believe that cher hubb and blue never were reborn and wont be why you ask? well lets look at it in my mind when the world reborns not everyone will be reborn only the few...which few the few that believed in paradise and getting there because lets look at it....Hubb never really in his mind believed there was a paradise and in his end didn't want to go he wanted to be with cher now cher also never wanted to go or believe in the end she talked about running away to a small house with hubb in a place all to there own away from all the cities now blue the whole time doubted herself and often said that even if they got to paradise she wouldn't be able to go thru b/c she wasn't a full wolf
now why would quent go to paradise? well throughout the whole show he knew that there was a paradise but never said anything about not wanting to go...he believed in paradise and the fact that the wolves would open it...he made it pretty far with the wolves but never doubted or stated anything about not wanting to go to paradise...even in the end he realized his mistake for hunting the wolves
now you ask blah blah blah you said alll the crap but what about jagra(yea i splet that wrong so kill me) anyway yes they believed in paradise but the Lady wanted to open up the "humans paradise" not the real one now darcia on the other hand was very confusing at the end...he wanted to go...but he'd try to kill cheza and kiba..and those to being the keys to unlock paradise killin thme would make it hard to get there... so if the show would add a few more eps to it i wouldn't doubt seeing darcia sooner or later.
well thats my idea bad...prolly but its my thought b/c i feel you can't really get to paradise unless you believe and that being said even tho hubb and blue were one of my two favorites...i don't think either of them or cher made it to the next world...well there it is in a pretty large nutshell don't be to harsh
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Post by armand on Aug 1, 2005 22:48:17 GMT -5
Well my theory after reading all your theories is one i actually just came up with sitting here but i seem to like mine more and more so here i'll throw it out whats the worst that can happen you call me stupid yea well lifes life anyway i do believe the cat that IF it was someone from the show it would have to be quent...now i also believe that cher hubb and blue never were reborn and wont be why you ask? well lets look at it in my mind when the world reborns not everyone will be reborn only the few...which few the few that believed in paradise and getting there because lets look at it....Hubb never really in his mind believed there was a paradise and in his end didn't want to go he wanted to be with cher now cher also never wanted to go or believe in the end she talked about running away to a small house with hubb in a place all to there own away from all the cities now blue the whole time doubted herself and often said that even if they got to paradise she wouldn't be able to go thru b/c she wasn't a full wolf now why would quent go to paradise? well throughout the whole show he knew that there was a paradise but never said anything about not wanting to go...he believed in paradise and the fact that the wolves would open it...he made it pretty far with the wolves but never doubted or stated anything about not wanting to go to paradise...even in the end he realized his mistake for hunting the wolves now you ask blah blah blah you said alll the crap but what about jagra(yea i splet that wrong so kill me) anyway yes they believed in paradise but the Lady wanted to open up the "humans paradise" not the real one now darcia on the other hand was very confusing at the end...he wanted to go...but he'd try to kill cheza and kiba..and those to being the keys to unlock paradise killin thme would make it hard to get there... so if the show would add a few more eps to it i wouldn't doubt seeing darcia sooner or later. well thats my idea bad...prolly but its my thought b/c i feel you can't really get to paradise unless you believe and that being said even tho hubb and blue were one of my two favorites...i don't think either of them or cher made it to the next world...well there it is in a pretty large nutshell don't be to harsh All right, first of all, unclean creatures are not permitted into paradise. Therefore, Hubb, Cher, Blue, Jagara(how dare you mispell her name ), and Quent are not able to go there. Even Darcia wasn't clean enought to enter, he is not 100% wolf. Entrance to paradise did not depend on your faith in it. Only wolves are permitted to enter paradise(the new world). So, i find all of the cat theories interesting but still, i just think it is just an ordinary cat. Nothing more. Also, Jagara was trying to open the noble's paradise, not the human one. But really, it was mostly her own paradise.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Aug 1, 2005 23:29:42 GMT -5
Well my theory after reading all your theories is one i actually just came up with sitting here but i seem to like mine more and more so here i'll throw it out whats the worst that can happen you call me stupid yea well lifes life anyway i do believe the cat that IF it was someone from the show it would have to be quent...now i also believe that cher hubb and blue never were reborn and wont be why you ask? well lets look at it in my mind when the world reborns not everyone will be reborn only the few...which few the few that believed in paradise and getting there because lets look at it....Hubb never really in his mind believed there was a paradise and in his end didn't want to go he wanted to be with cher now cher also never wanted to go or believe in the end she talked about running away to a small house with hubb in a place all to there own away from all the cities now blue the whole time doubted herself and often said that even if they got to paradise she wouldn't be able to go thru b/c she wasn't a full wolf Okay.. Sean bashing number 1: Are you stupid or something? (No offense ) Hubb believed in Paradise and said so during the last 4 episodes. Cher wanted to go to Paradise, I believe she said so. Yeah she'd rather be with Hubb then be in Paradise but she still wanted to go (even though she knew they both couldn't, BECAUSE HUMANS CAN'T GO TO PARADISE!) Only 1 wolf could go to paradise, and everyone knew who it was. It was Kiba. He was the only one that could go. Hige knew it, Blue knew it, Toboe knew it, yes... even Tsume knew it. now why would quent go to paradise? well throughout the whole show he knew that there was a paradise but never said anything about not wanting to go...he believed in paradise and the fact that the wolves would open it...he made it pretty far with the wolves but never doubted or stated anything about not wanting to go to paradise...even in the end he realized his mistake for hunting the wolves Again, are you stupid #2? Quent said that a Paradise ruled by Wolves... he'd rather take his chances with hell. He never wanted to go to Paradise... he despised the wolves (until the 28-29th episodes). He still rather die then attempt to go to Paradise with the wolves, as stated in I think episode 28. now you ask blah blah blah you said alll the crap but what about jagra(yea i splet that wrong so kill me) anyway yes they believed in paradise but the Lady wanted to open up the "humans paradise" not the real one now darcia on the other hand was very confusing at the end...he wanted to go...but he'd try to kill cheza and kiba..and those to being the keys to unlock paradise killin thme would make it hard to get there... so if the show would add a few more eps to it i wouldn't doubt seeing darcia sooner or later. He (Darcia) wanted to open up his own version of Paradise with Cheza, that is why he was trying to kill Kiba, that and the fact that Kiba was trying to stop him. A Paradise opened up by Darcia would be full of despair. I believe Armand answered the other question about the Noble's Paradise well thats my idea bad...prolly but its my thought b/c i feel you can't really get to paradise unless you believe and that being said even tho hubb and blue were one of my two favorites...i don't think either of them or cher made it to the next world...well there it is in a pretty large nutshell don't be to harsh I'm pretty sure they made it back... just not shown. Just because they aren't show, doesn't mean they didn't make it. The only one that could get to Paradise was Kiba... no one else. Darcia tried but failed because he wasn't meant to be there. The humans couldn't go to Paradise, as I've stated 2000 times before.
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Post by armand on Aug 1, 2005 23:44:54 GMT -5
It is my turn now. ;D
You are wrong in that assumption. Only one wolf can "open" paradise, that does not mean the other wolves can't get there.
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