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Post by devinfire on Jul 22, 2005 21:35:16 GMT -5
There's been alot of theories and questions regarding WR's ending. That makes sense, considering how it's widely believed that it's extremely difficult to follow. First and foremost, alot of viewers found the ending to be depressing and shocking. However, as the show progresses, what do you expect? It's stated frequently that Kiba is the only one that can get all the way there, what happened was inevitable. I dont think WR fits in the tragedy genre, I feel it's more like a story of hope told in a world brimming with tragedy. Next to disect would be whether the ending was a result of too much weed, or brilliance at it's best. The ending actually makes damn good sense to me now, and the events of past episodes spell out rather clearly whats to come. One after the other, Kiba's pack sacrifices themselves to asure that Kiba gets Cheza to paradise. The world coming to an end was already stated by the indian tribe's leader. Thanks to his friends, Kiba does reach the gate to paradise, but before that he must contend with a desolate heart. However, paradise eventually engulfs Darcia, just like Darcia the I,leaving behind only his wolf-eye. Darcia states that humans are nothing more than wolves, and while this may seem like a big plot twist, those same words are said early on in episodes 1-5. Quent's quotes the book of the moon often, in which he reveals that man became the wolf's messenger. Back to the ending, Cheza and Kiba's blood intertwine and drips to the gate of paradise, and Cheza, at the end of her lifespawn, blooms into the next generation of lunar flowers. But because of Darcia's eye, this new paradise is unable to last, and in the final minutes of the ending, we see a world that is similar to the beginning of WR. This paradise has withered aswell, yet still has lunar flowers, the key to paradise, and we are shown a scene of Kiba, Hige, Tsume, and Toboe, as if fated to meet once again. Kiba, still craving paradise, breaks into a sprint after a small lunar flower is shown. While the ending isn't exactly like the beginning, it's very close. Some would hope for alittle more closure, but thats the point to WR's ending. It really is left up to the viewer to decide. Is their world fated to continue a cycle of bliss and destruction? Or will Kiba and his companions reach paradise for good? Thats what I figure the endings about, there really isn't one solid answer.
well, it's your turn. Everyone disect it for all it's worth, include everything you think it's about, and everything you know it's about.
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Post by SHE on Jul 22, 2005 23:41:54 GMT -5
Oh jeez Dev, I sure would try, but I don't think I would do that great. I agree with a lot of what you posted, but to do my own disection would probably result in me being flamed for my opinions, so I'll just keep the rest to myself. However, I do know that the entire show was up for the opinion of the viewer as it was stated in an interview with the cast and such. I used to find the ending sad, and maybe still a little at present, but though all the wolves didn't reach paradise, and all of them but Kiba died before getting right there...I look at it like this. They worked hard for where they had gotten, and by doing so they showed their pride as wolves even if they did die never getting to see Paradise.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 23, 2005 0:43:30 GMT -5
I had posted earlier but I guess it never came to pass... I just finished watching the final DVD for the 3rd or 4th time and each time I watch it I understand things more and more. I use to think that they killed the wolves off way too quickly, but then I watched it again today and I realized that they were legitament deaths. (IE. Blue intercepting Darcia's advancement on Cheza and then Darcia using the momentum to slam Blue hard into the ground, rendering her helpless)
Paradise goes in cycles..
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Post by SelsdonMowbray on Jul 23, 2005 2:28:46 GMT -5
Right On Devin.... hey, that's my name too, by the way.
AN extension of Darcia's eye - it represents the evil, the flaws, and everything that's generally messed up in the world. Therefore, when his eye.... Melts?..... into the water and is absorbed by one of the lunar flowers, that paradise is doomed to fail..... That is, at least, what I think.
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Post by SHE on Jul 23, 2005 10:32:48 GMT -5
Yes, Darcia's eye definately taints the new world, theres no doubt about that.
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Post by armand on Jul 23, 2005 20:19:56 GMT -5
Right On Devin.... hey, that's my name too, by the way. AN extension of Darcia's eye - it represents the evil, the flaws, and everything that's generally messed up in the world. Therefore, when his eye.... Melts?..... into the water and is absorbed by one of the lunar flowers, that paradise is doomed to fail..... That is, at least, what I think. Well, it actually is not a lunar flower, is a different flower(forgot the name). And i do no think it represents evil and everything that is messed up. Like Darcia said, a paradise that Kiba would open will not be a perfect paradise because it would not contain perfect happiness, nor joy, nor life. Because it also does not contain perfect sadness, misery or death. Therefore, i think that Darcia represents sadness, misery and death. So, i do not think Darcia's eye ruined the so called paradise but balanced it.
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Post by SelsdonMowbray on Jul 23, 2005 20:47:07 GMT -5
Interesting.
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Post by paradisebound on Jul 23, 2005 21:07:10 GMT -5
uh huh...........yeah i dunnno.i agree with what was just posted.but i do belive that there can be no perfect heaven for us humans for that same reason.
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Post by devinfire on Jul 24, 2005 3:39:41 GMT -5
elaborate please. what you say is left open to so much interpretation, what do you mean exactly?
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Post by GoldenFire on Jul 24, 2005 4:23:50 GMT -5
uh huh...........yeah i dunnno.i agree with what was just posted.but i do belive that there can be no perfect heaven for us humans for that same reason. Are you referring to hell as the one thing that balances out heaven?
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Post by devinfire on Jul 24, 2005 4:44:48 GMT -5
Long time no see Goldenfire. Where ya been all this time?
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Post by GoldenFire on Jul 24, 2005 6:27:01 GMT -5
Long time no see Goldenfire. Where ya been all this time? I guess you can say that life picked me up and took me on a journey. After the semester ended I packed my bags and went to North Carolina to take care of some business, but even though the trip was a blast it’s great to be back home. I read about your car accident and I am glad that you weren’t serious injured. It is understandable that you are upset about your car, but the most important thing right now is your recovery. I don’t know the full extent of your injuries or if you are bedridden, but I hope that the pain is subsiding and that your recovery is going well. Just take it easy for a while until everything is healed; sometimes re-injuring something can hurt more than when it was originally injured, so be extra careful.
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Post by TsumesRonin on Jul 28, 2005 15:16:42 GMT -5
Well, it actually is not a lunar flower, is a different flower(forgot the name). And i do no think it represents evil and everything that is messed up. Like Darcia said, a paradise that Kiba would open will not be a perfect paradise because it would not contain perfect happiness, nor joy, nor life. Because it also does not contain perfect sadness, misery or death. Therefore, i think that Darcia represents sadness, misery and death. So, i do not think Darcia's eye ruined the so called paradise but balanced it. [/quote]
I agree. There can be no light without darkness, no joy without sorrow. Darcia can almost be considered an archetype character by the end of the serious. In many ways, Cheza and Darcia strike me as yin and yang, connected together but opposites. I know some would consider Kiba and Darcia to be yin and yang, and that analogy also works. But I think Cheza and Darcia more play off of each other in not only the opening of paradise, but in it's nature.
As to Darcia being engulfed by paradise, I more read it that he was rejected. The prophesy given indicated that the wolf with the flower maiden's favor would open paradise. Darcia clearly did not have her favor. However, as he was still the darkness to Cheza's light, he affected the outcome.
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Post by wolfnight12 on Jul 28, 2005 15:59:43 GMT -5
ok I thin kwe get the point of there can be no light without dark thats just kinda ovious (no offince to anyone) but what if kiba isent the only key like what if there was another wolf or somthing that they needed to enter because when kiba finally gets to paradise do all of the wolves of the world go there to or what so I think that in order for paradise to work there needs to be kiba and I girl wolfie so they can make more wolfies and start a happy family
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Post by Bloodfang on Jul 28, 2005 16:23:39 GMT -5
Actually, the ending to Wolf's Rain reminds me a bit of the end of the Dark Tower books by Steven King, in that Kiba is caught in a loop, forced to repeat his quest over and over again until he learns enough from the past to break free. Perhaps Paradise is trying to teach Kiba some kind of lesson before it can let him find the future he desires? Overall, I agree that a lot of it is left up to the interpreter.
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