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Post by Scarred Wolf on Jul 11, 2006 1:46:54 GMT -5
^ I agree, sorry. :] I sorta meant that, anyway. Not like a plothole just extremely vague. Edit. > Top of the page. Go read what Ookami said bottom of the last page, I agree with that. haha
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 14, 2006 11:56:05 GMT -5
What a loser
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Post by armand on Jul 19, 2006 21:06:00 GMT -5
well, i didn't say that reclaiming Cheza simply because she belonged to his family was the only motive Darcia had for stealing her. but i did figure that Darcia believed that since Paradise was stealing Harmona's soul, Paradise must be where she is. maybe he didn't know that there was such a thing as a "Nobles' Paradise" before he saw Jagara's, and that he used to believe there was only one Paradise: the one opened by the wolves. even though he didn't know he was one of the 'chosen wolves', he might've believed that he could find a way to open it himself since he had some form of wolf in him. i also think that Darcia didn't plan on luring Kiba into his keep, and that it was just Kiba coming to reclaim Cheza that brought him there. Darcia most likely needed Cheza in order to attempt to open Paradise, and i agree with Sean when he said that Darcia probably didn't think Jagara would attack him or Harmona at that point. well, like i said earlier: Darcia once stated that "Paradise Sickness" was stealing Harmona's soul, and so i believe that her soul must be in Paradise. therefore, if Darcia wanted to be with her again, he would have to use Cheza in order to open Paradise for him. he was keeping Harmona alive until he could reunite with her in Paradise, but once she was dead, as Sean said, Darcia spoke his famous line: "i no longer have any need for a future." i don't think it's a story gap, i think it's just lack of details. oh well, as long as the main idea gets conveyed, right? Ahhh...excellent, I was thinking something along those lines... I agree, it wasn't a huge story gap...it simply wasn't spoon fed to the audience...they gave some hints and allowed the audience to fill in the gaps. So if he truly wanted to open paradise...then wouldn't he need Kiba in order to do so? So wouldn't part of his plan also include the luring of Kiba into his keep? Because without Kiba...well, paradise cannot be opened. And at this point...he couldn't fill in for Kiba...because he's not a wolf or has any means of awakening his wolf side... And I am pretty sure he was aware that there was such a thing as the Noble's paradise...since his grandfather tried to open it...He probably wasn't aware that the Noble's paradise did not contain what he was looking for...Hamona.
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Post by ookami de kokoro on Jul 19, 2006 21:31:42 GMT -5
Ahhh...excellent, I was thinking something along those lines... I agree, it wasn't a huge story gap...it simply wasn't spoon fed to the audience...they gave some hints and allowed the audience to fill in the gaps. So if he truly wanted to open paradise...then wouldn't he need Kiba in order to do so? So wouldn't part of his plan also include the luring of Kiba into his keep? Because without Kiba...well, paradise cannot be opened. And at this point...he couldn't fill in for Kiba...because he's not a wolf or has any means of awakening his wolf side... And I am pretty sure he was aware that there was such a thing as the Noble's paradise...since his grandfather tried to open it...He probably wasn't aware that the Noble's paradise did not contain what he was looking for...Hamona. hmm... as far as the need for Kiba goes, i'm not sure. i just figured Darcia thought he could find a way to open Paradise himself, since he knows that there is some wolf in him. didn't he seem surprised when Kiba just busted in the way he did? then again, he was still grieving for Harmona, so whatever Darcia might've been planning was probably pushed further down his priority list. and you're right about the Nobles' Paradise; that's a good point. i guess what i meant was that Darcia either thought the Nobles' and wolves' Paradises were one in the same, or that there was not much difference between them. but once he saw Jagara's Paradise he knew for sure that it was not the Paradise he wanted, and that the fact that he needed the wolves' Paradise was made clear to him.
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Post by armand on Jul 20, 2006 0:06:02 GMT -5
Ahhh...excellent, I was thinking something along those lines... I agree, it wasn't a huge story gap...it simply wasn't spoon fed to the audience...they gave some hints and allowed the audience to fill in the gaps. So if he truly wanted to open paradise...then wouldn't he need Kiba in order to do so? So wouldn't part of his plan also include the luring of Kiba into his keep? Because without Kiba...well, paradise cannot be opened. And at this point...he couldn't fill in for Kiba...because he's not a wolf or has any means of awakening his wolf side... And I am pretty sure he was aware that there was such a thing as the Noble's paradise...since his grandfather tried to open it...He probably wasn't aware that the Noble's paradise did not contain what he was looking for...Hamona. hmm... as far as the need for Kiba goes, i'm not sure. i just figured Darcia thought he could find a way to open Paradise himself, since he knows that there is some wolf in him. didn't he seem surprised when Kiba just busted in the way he did? then again, he was still grieving for Harmona, so whatever Darcia might've been planning was probably pushed further down his priority list. and you're right about the Nobles' Paradise; that's a good point. i guess what i meant was that Darcia either thought the Nobles' and wolves' Paradises were one in the same, or that there was not much difference between them. but once he saw Jagara's Paradise he knew for sure that it was not the Paradise he wanted, and that the fact that he needed the wolves' Paradise was made clear to him. I suppose Darcia could awaken his wolf side without the moonstone...somehow....Well, his clan is known for being able to turn into wolves. A part of their curse is being able to turn into wolves...after losing their soul... I do not think that at that point, he believed the wolve's paradise and the noble's paradise were one in the same. Since he first stated that Paradise was a land where wolves reign supreme. He must have deduced that the nobles were trying to achieve the opposite of that. A land where nobles reign supreme. Now, to go deeper into his plan. In order to open Paradise(Noble's at least). You need three things. Flower Maiden(Cheza), chosen wolf's blood(Kiba or maybe even Darcia) and the moonlight crucible. All of these requirements were stated in the Book of the Moon. Something he was very familiar with, therefore, he must've known that without any of these requirements, Paradise would not open. The point I'm getting at is, was it part of Darcia's plan to take over the moonlight crucible?(a direct confrontation with Jagara)
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 21, 2006 21:37:20 GMT -5
I think Darcia payed a visit to Jagara to take her out, no more, no less.
And he did state he was trying to open up Paradise, him and Cheza. Remember, he even asked Kiba what the difference would be if he opened it rather than letting Kiba open it.
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Post by armand on Jul 22, 2006 8:39:28 GMT -5
I think Darcia payed a visit to Jagara to take her out, no more, no less. And he did state he was trying to open up Paradise, him and Cheza. Remember, he even asked Kiba what the difference would be if he opened it rather than letting Kiba open it. All of what you are mentioning is post-Hamona's death. Even you must admit that Darcia changed quite a bit after the death of Hamona. I'm trying to figure out what he was thinking before that...while he was still sane.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 28, 2006 15:54:40 GMT -5
Well.. he stold Cheza because he wanted to open paradise because he thought (or it could be stated in one of Darcia the 1st's book(s)) that in order to save someone from paradise sickness they need to open paradise and they'll live happily ever after? Somethin like that
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Post by armand on Jul 28, 2006 21:09:04 GMT -5
Now you are not even trying...nevertheless...that makes some sense...
But you oversimplify...which is the opposite of what I was trying to do....
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Aug 11, 2006 12:51:12 GMT -5
YOU DON'T NEED TO OVERCOMPLICATE IT! Baka
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Post by devinfire on Jan 7, 2008 12:26:30 GMT -5
you guys think too much. Darcia was smokin' tweed (weed?) maybe he was on cocaine... smokin? tolkin? I got a question...
why did Darcia leave what's her name on a table naked all the time? what if... a naughty boy like me happened to come by? Oh yes... I would have me some funs.
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Post by ookami de kokoro on Feb 8, 2008 21:48:52 GMT -5
I got a question... why did Darcia leave what's her name on a table naked all the time? what if... a naughty boy like me happened to come by? Oh yes... I would have me some funs. i don't think you'd get that far, son. didn't you see what happened to Quent and Toboe? Darcia don't play--he packs some serious heat, and a hell of a lot of crazy to back it up.
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Post by devinfire on Mar 17, 2008 0:55:08 GMT -5
but i did get that far. and trust me, i had me some funs. yes indeed.
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Apr 1, 2008 22:45:19 GMT -5
Where's David at?
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