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Post by Jin on May 28, 2005 23:41:27 GMT -5
I heard from my friend who has seen it all (subbed, tis 26 episodes) that the first episode is the only hip hop one, and that they kinda drop that later in the series. he also said the entire show's plot is searching for the man who smells like sunflowers, who is somehow related to Fuu. Well I've done the same and well theres some Hip Hop here in there in each episode, and yeah pretty much they are looking for the man who smells like sunflowers overall I like the show its fun and I like the Mugen and Jin charactors.
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Post by devinfire on May 30, 2005 22:47:39 GMT -5
hey scarred wolf, would you mind telling me your definition of substance? if you knew the correct meaning im sure you wouldn't go around screaming that Samurai Champloo has no substance. You said RK is an adventure, from what I have seen of SC, it's an adventure too. Now, I will admit that I find the characters of Samurai Champloo more interesting then RK's characters, now I've only seen three episodes of SC, but I've seen around six episodes of RK. Im not bashing the show, someday I plan on getting the dvds and watching them, but running around and saying SC has no substance is like running around and saying Bill Clinton was an idiot. It's simply not true. I think what you dislike about SC is the fact that it has lesser continuity of shows like WR and RK. Thats fine and all, but don't say it has no substance. Each episode is filled with substance. Examples? The ogre of episode two was misunderstood. Sure he was a killer, but he killed because he had been extremely tormented due to his unnatural looks. He's then manipulated by a former enemy of Mugen and co. Coaxed to kill Mugen, Fuu however is able to understand where he is coming from and give peace to his soul. The man realizes he's not alone anymore and doesn't kill Mugen. How is that not substance? Episode three, Mugen is enticed by a gang lord with ideas of taking over the country. The son of a rival gang leader ends up causing fueds between the gangs due to the fact that they are ripping people off. Jin and Mugen's intangled fate is substance. Don't say it's not, if you do your calling Wolf's Rain substanceless. Wolf's Rain is filled with more coicendences than anyother anime to date. That doesn't mean it's bad though. It's good in my opinion. So yeah. That's my opinion on your opinion on SC.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on May 31, 2005 1:29:48 GMT -5
Well, i respect your opinion on my opinion. Yet, i would like to clarify i never said it doesnt have any substance. Compared to RK, it has little substance, and it is lacking. Not being compared to anything, there IS substance. The substance that is there for me, isnt very deep though. That's all. It's my opinion. With WR and RK, i find all of the emotions very real and never found a scene just made to be entertaining. From 3 episodes i cant say much however, same goes for you and 6 episodes. But i cant expect all anime to be like RK + WR. You must know though, that everything has its flaws. SC is kickass! Nice animation, unique, and very entertaining. My flaw i find in it is its weak substance. There are flaws in everything. Flaw in FMA: some times the comedy gets too extensive and pisses me off. Flaw in WR: uh.. ill get back to u on that one. flaw in GITS: sometimes feels TOO emotionless even between the characters. flaw with RK: the third season, it was a huge filler.
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Post by devinfire on May 31, 2005 7:13:21 GMT -5
Dude... cmon... you just contradicted yourself there... The fact is you said it didn't have substance. I showed that it did. What you should have said was that it's substance did not appeal to you, not " It has no substance." What the hell, why do we use substance so much? Just go ahead and say the plot doesn't click with you at times. i have no idea what your rant on flaws is about . *checks other posts* no one said sc, gits, fma, wr, and rk were flawless, so uh... yeah im just going to say wtf and slap you.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on May 31, 2005 9:34:01 GMT -5
No. You are ADDICTED to SC. You rant about it all the time. From these 3 episodes you have seen, you refuse to admit that it has flaws, like every other show.
Fine, i said SC doesnt have substance. I havent seen any yet. That ogre thing wasnt deep or emotional at all to me, so i dont count that. Sure, its entertaining as hell, and its funny. I like it. Im just not OBSESSED with it like you. I have it on my netflix, so that means i like it. But compared to other anime, it is lacking in emotional value for me.
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Post by devinfire on May 31, 2005 10:26:32 GMT -5
you seem to be beating around the bush here. the fact is, you said it had no substance. i showed that it did. what you need to say is that it doesn't appeal to you, simple as that. saying it has none is simply idiocy. remember, when you try to express an opinion make sure it's an opinion and not some fact you garbled up. as for me being obsessed, nah im not obsessed. you seem to be obsessed with making this show seem bad or worse compared to rk. name one post of mine where i ranted about sc. all i did was show it had a plot and substance, yet you continue to say it does not without giving any real reasons aside from you don't like it, which means what your trying to say is it doesn't appeal to you.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on May 31, 2005 12:00:05 GMT -5
No, you rant about it online.. all the time.
And you DIDNT prove anything!! You said the ogre and another scenario were "substancey" i simply said, nope, thats not deep enough for me. i woul dappreciate you not calling me an idiot. that was my opinion. as an entertaining show ,the emotional value was very shallow for me, and your "evidence" is just your opinion. I find it to be shallow.
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Post by GoldenFire on May 31, 2005 12:03:10 GMT -5
No, you rant about it online.. all the time. And you DIDNT prove anything!! You said the ogre and another scenario were "substancey" i simply said, nope, thats not deep enough for me. i woul dappreciate you not calling me an idiot. that was my opinion. as an entertaining show ,the emotional value was very shallow for me, and your "evidence" is just your opinion. I find it to be shallow. Whoa! Calm down guys! It’s going to be okay. Now kiss and make up.
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Post by armand on May 31, 2005 13:40:51 GMT -5
Lets just say that with only three episodes, we really cannot judge SC. So lets just take a wait and see approach.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on May 31, 2005 13:53:51 GMT -5
Yep... from 3 episodes you cant judge anything. All i said is from what ive seen, its just been very entertaining, and i havent seen any value yet, which is what i look for. Devinfire assaulted I disagree and ranted on how great it is. I can truly see he loves it. I however, dont share that. I dont love it, i just like it.
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Post by armand on May 31, 2005 14:05:13 GMT -5
Well, Scarred, how would you feel if someone said after watching only three episodes of RK that it had little or no substance? And Devinfire, you must realize that there are some people that dislike SC, even if their reasons are illogical or logical.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on May 31, 2005 14:12:27 GMT -5
I would feel like shit. But RK has substance, dammit. RK is al about like love and compassion and shit. It doesnt have the "hey im a badass" character who is just out to kick ass. But it is opinion.
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Post by devinfire on May 31, 2005 17:09:49 GMT -5
I rant about nothing online. once again, name one post where I've ranted about sc. back to the point at hand, it' s nice to see everyone jumping at you. im about to just say screw this place. scarred, this is about you stating the show had no substance, and me saying it does. it does, simple as that. the show has substance. thats a fact. what's an opinion is your take on it. your opinion is that it just doesn't appeal to you. not once have i said you must like sc. im not an idiot. i realize ppl will dislike sc. the fact is, scarred is creating all of this bullshit about me being obsessed with the damn show that the entire point of my debate has been overlooked. all i said was that it has substance. i didn't call it the best, or the worst. and i also said that because it does have it, he should say that SC just doesn't appeal to him at times, not running around and saying it has no substance. nuff said.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on May 31, 2005 17:13:09 GMT -5
No, when i said online, i said YIM... as in on the messenger. and im obsessed with WR, theres no problem with being obsessed.
I will end this now, i wnot reply anymore. my opinion: no emotional value. your opinion: yes, there is emotional value.
The emotional value I SEE is very fake and cliche. For you, it could be very different! It's ALL opinion, you cant say " it has substance thats a fact " thats ridiculous. All in all, ive only seen 3 episodes so i will (and i advise u to do the same) shut up now.
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Post by devinfire on May 31, 2005 17:21:16 GMT -5
no you did not say yim. you said online. besides, if you take to heart what is said on yim than your opinion on me is very screwed.
fine.
I can say that because it does. that is a fact. whether or not it's shallow, fake, cliche, whatever doesn't matter. it's there. you said it had nothing, and i said it did have something there. simple as that. where your getting all of this other crap is either a personal attack or your trying to make your argument more prettier. i'll say it again. i never said sc was the best or worst. i simply said it has the substance. whether you like it or not, that is what your opinion is. the basis is, you've said the show is very entertaining. if it is, it has substance. i really dont care what your opinion on it is because your entitled to it. but you cannot say it's substanceless. it's not true. what you should have said was that it didn't appeal to you. simple as that.
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