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Post by SenchezLi on Nov 4, 2004 3:03:08 GMT -5
Ya know what, they should of put something like "Paradise is truly where the heart is." That would of been something.
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Post by Teen Wolf on Apr 4, 2005 22:48:14 GMT -5
Just a thought, but what if the "paradise" that everyone is searching for or trying to make isn't really what paradise was? What if paradise was really right there all along? Or perhaps the journey of the wolves itself, was paradise. The trials, tribulations and the relationships made by the wolves during their search, might have been the real paradise. Everything else was just a vehicle for the world to start over, which contains no real "paradise" in a sense, just a world that was void of humans. But I don't know, what do u think?
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Post by ookami de kokoro on Apr 4, 2005 22:54:39 GMT -5
exactly, the Paradise Kiba was seeking was really the journey he made with his newfound friends. i think he discovered that too late or at the very end, granted he even realized it at all.
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Post by demonfo6 on Apr 5, 2005 11:43:46 GMT -5
paradise is right here we just need to open our eyes
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Post by Soul on Apr 5, 2005 14:21:45 GMT -5
Whoa, I started this a long while back . I'm not convinced that the journey was paradise to Kiba. I think Kiba certainly enjoyed the companionship that the other wolves brought him, but that wasn't what he turly strove for. I believe there's something genetic/spiritual value of Kiba's yearning for paradise. He's drawn to Cheza and paradise, Kiba wouldn't have gone out of the way for anyone else. Paradise wasn't a place to him at all, there was no concrete destination, he just knew he and Cheza were the ones to open it. It he'd been contented with simply having friendships, he never would have gone all the way, there'd be no reason for him to.
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Post by Crickie on Apr 5, 2005 14:46:06 GMT -5
I have a very different yet similar take on this whole thing....could be wrong, but it kind of just came to me.
POSSIBLE SPOILERS (not sure if I need this...just in case)
Kiba, like others said, found his paradise in Cheza and the others. The journey he made with them....it's almost like he re-found his pack after he lost them as a pup.
Toboe found his paradise when he died in Quent's arms. He was held by a human again, and when he died, he found it again with Granny. His was the only one that we outright saw.
Hige found paradise in Blue. And she found it in him. He found someone to love him unconditionally, no matter how screwed his past was, and she found where she truly belonged. She was a wolf.
Tsume found his paradise in friendship. He had friends, he sold them out and they abandoned him. This time around, he found friends who wouldn't give up on him, wouldn't abandon him, and in the end, he saved Kiba's life and gave his own so he could make it to the paradise they percieved to be tangible, but all along lived in each of them.
I have some slightly shakier conjectures for the others:
Cher found her paradise after reconciling with Hubb, after she refused to shut him out any longer. Hubb found his in breaking out of the conventional, after kicking the rule book to the curb to chase after something that wasn't definite, wasn't spelled out right n front of him as life had been before. And Quent found paradise after making his reconciliations with a wolf, after feeling something other than hatred for them. Kind of funny that the first wolf he actually saw in the city with his own eyes would be the last one he saw.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Apr 5, 2005 17:17:27 GMT -5
Crickie, those r really good interpretations.
I agree with all of them, except Kiba. I lean toward Soul with that one. I do not think that Kiba's paradise was the company of the wolves and cheza, but rather just searching for paradise. It's the only thing he can do: "search".
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Post by Soul on Apr 5, 2005 18:56:11 GMT -5
Crickie, those r really good interpretations. I agree with all of them, except Kiba. I lean toward Soul with that one. I do not think that Kiba's paradise was the company of the wolves and cheza, but rather just searching for paradise. It's the only thing he can do: "search". Yes, I think Crickie has a point too though. I just disagree with Kiba's part. In my opinion, with the exception of Kiba, all the wolves were able to find their own "paradise" IN the world, through experiences or relationships. Kiba, and obviously Cheza, were the only ones who did not, their lives revolved around opening paradise, they could not find peace until they'd succeeded. Even Darcia, before the transformation, found his paradise with Harmona. This would explain why Kiba is the chosen wolf; he's the only one that CANNOT find paradise on earth.
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Post by Teen Wolf on Apr 6, 2005 0:17:37 GMT -5
That's so sad, though! I think there's something to be said about why Kiba is the last one to go. I mean, he has to endure the most suffering and the feeling of being alone and presumably the last living thing on the planet. I just feel like at least all of the other wolves died knowing that they had accomplished something. They all died with the hope of paradise still opening. What was Kiba thinking of when he died? Was he still hopeful about paradise?
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Post by spiritfallen on Apr 22, 2005 14:44:26 GMT -5
So,there really is no paradise...what a shame.I mean they spend so much time looking for paradise,and die disappointed...how sad.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Apr 22, 2005 17:07:42 GMT -5
So,there really is no paradise...what a shame.I mean they spend so much time looking for paradise,and die disappointed...how sad. Explain how there is no paradise, u really baffled me.
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Post by GoldenFire on Apr 22, 2005 19:09:35 GMT -5
I think there's something to be said about why Kiba is the last one to go. I mean, he has to endure the most suffering and the feeling of being alone and presumably the last living thing on the planet. I just feel like at least all of the other wolves died knowing that they had accomplished something. They all died with the hope of paradise still opening. What was Kiba thinking of when he died? Was he still hopeful about paradise? That is really a sad thought.
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Post by Justinian on Apr 22, 2005 19:52:21 GMT -5
Humans were supposed to be in paradise, that is clear. "You wolves are going to open a new world for us." Hubb
And it is possible that the cylce need not last forever. Remember Cheza saying that Kiba should not be sad, that Cheza would return in her true form, and the paradise that Kiba wanted would be finaly real.
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Post by GoldenFire on Apr 22, 2005 20:12:56 GMT -5
Humans were supposed to be in paradise, that is clear. "You wolves are going to open a new world for us." Hubb And it is possible that the cylce need not last forever. Remember Cheza saying that Kiba should not be sad, that Cheza would return in her true form, and the paradise that Kiba wanted would be finaly real. Yes, but that was all left open for one’s interpretation, so there was no real set answer as to whether paradise existed…we all had to come up with our own theories – all of which are debatable.
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Post by Soul on Apr 22, 2005 21:14:02 GMT -5
Yes, but that was all left open for one’s interpretation, so there was no real set answer as to whether paradise existed…we all had to come up with our own theories – all of which are debatable. And we should all give thanks that WR had such an open ending, it was that lack of definitive answers that first drew me to this board back in October...and i'm sure that was the reason many others joined as well.
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