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Post by devinfire on Apr 26, 2005 22:48:42 GMT -5
i understand that it varies everywhere, but if she meant a licensed driver at the age of 15 that's insane. hopefully she meant permit or something.
anyway you've gotta be 17 at where I live before you get your license.
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Post by Crickie on Apr 26, 2005 22:48:43 GMT -5
That's the age at which you can get your permit and begin driver's training, if memory serves correctly, in Michigan. I consider the age at which you get your permit the age at which you can start driving.
I still don't understand the connection between drafting and drinking. Perhaps it's not for me to understand. The draft is an obligation while drinking is a privilege, as is voting. In my opinion, if marijuana isn't legal, then alcohol shouldn't be either. But that's a horse of a different color, a complete 'nother topic.
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Post by Lady Amalthea on Apr 26, 2005 22:49:57 GMT -5
i understand that it varies everywhere, but if she meant a licensed driver at the age of 15 that's insane. hopefully she meant permit or something. anyway you've gotta be 17 at where I live before you get your license. it's 16 here and i think its 15 in oregon my cousin has hers
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Post by devinfire on Apr 26, 2005 22:51:25 GMT -5
I was just saying that if people are forced into a draft, that age group can certainly deserve to drink. anyway, yes I agree that serving your country should be an obligation, but those who are forced into it and do not wish to be there wont see it like that. EDIT: 15 is insane. so you can get your permit at the age of 14!? or did you mean you get your permit at 15? either way that seems awfully young. my state wants to raise the bar up even more now because of the many automobile accidents teens cause. (my state leads the nation in teen deaths caused by automobiles. )
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Apr 26, 2005 22:51:47 GMT -5
I dont see really a connection either, but they are saying "if u are old enough to kill someone u are old enough to drink".
as for driving, i think california= 16 for permit, 18 for license. (not sure)
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Post by devinfire on Apr 26, 2005 22:55:22 GMT -5
if your old enough to kill a man, then your old enough to drink, even if the reason you killed that man is for your country. im not saying i agree with that, but it's just the way I see it. doesn't it seem unfair that 18 year olds are forced into the military yet they cannot drink legaly? ( this is all based on the "what if" there was a mandatory military service of course)
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Post by Lady Amalthea on Apr 26, 2005 23:00:49 GMT -5
I dont see really a connection either, but they are saying "if u are old enough to kill someone u are old enough to drink". as for driving, i think california= 16 for permit, 18 for license. (not sure) no dear 16 for driveing i should be driveing but i waited a year; all my friends can
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Post by Crickie on Apr 26, 2005 23:06:25 GMT -5
To me, there is no such thing as 'old enough to kill a man'. Anyone can kill a man. I could go out and kill right now. I could have ten years ago. Nathaniel Abraham killed a man at 12: youngest in Michigan to go to jail for murder. Let's pass him a brew. Killing does not make you competent to drink. Not to me, anyway. I just don't see it. I'm sorry.
I meant you can get your permit at 15:). Then there are either two or three licensing "grades" which involve logging so many hours of driving at different times of the day over some amount of time. That winds up with many people getting their operator's licenses at 16. I wouldn't know, though. I skipped the licensing grades and the formal drivers' training and was home-taught and got my license at 18 (didn't really need it before then...small town=everything bunched together within walking distance)
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Post by Rebelwolf on Apr 27, 2005 7:40:36 GMT -5
lowered to 18 maybe but seriously we cannot get rid of it....some country's don't have a drinkin age and it works fine for them....but think what would happen if the us just up and dropped the drinking age He's right, in Cuba, parents let their children drink beer no matter how young, but car accidents aren't really much of a problem, since there aren't many cars in Cuba. But still, I also agree with Devinfire, Fallen Noble, and OnlyFuture, the drinking age is fine and doesn't really need to be dropped.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Apr 27, 2005 16:49:40 GMT -5
no dear 16 for driveing i should be driveing but i waited a year; all my friends can XD, please dont call me dear. as for the age, i beleive it was something like eveyrone born 1990 and afterwards in california it was changed to 18 rather than 16.
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Post by Lady Amalthea on Apr 27, 2005 16:53:09 GMT -5
XD, please dont call me dear. as for the age, i beleive it was something like eveyrone born 1990 and afterwards in california it was changed to 18 rather than 16. sorry force of habbit i call everyone that. no i know people who are born in 1990 who are 15 and have their permits.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Apr 27, 2005 16:56:46 GMT -5
hmm.. then maybe it is 1991 or something. i just know the law was changed, i dont remember any of the specifications.
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Post by armand on Apr 27, 2005 18:05:06 GMT -5
Well, here is my opinion.
Yes, i do think the drinking age should be lowered.
Personally, i started drinking at the age of 16. So, i pretty much broke the law. I still continue to drink(occasionally) and i'm 17. So, really it doesn't matter what the law says. Teens will continue to drink even if its illegal or legal.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Apr 27, 2005 18:07:37 GMT -5
Well, here is my opinion. Yes, i do think the drinking age should be lowered. Personally, i started drinking at the age of 16. So, i pretty much broke the law. I still continue to drink(occasionally) and i'm 17. So, really it doesn't matter what the law says. Teens will continue to drink even if its illegal or legal. Yes, true, but if it is lowered then it will get even worse. Those who fear breaking the law will now have the obligation, and those who break the law will be younger and younger. It isn't a really safe idea, in my humble opinion.
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Post by armand on Apr 27, 2005 18:09:45 GMT -5
Yes, true, but if it is lowered then it will get even worse. Those who fear breaking the law will now have the obligation, and those who break the law will be younger and younger. It isn't a really safe idea, in my humble opinion. I guess your right, anyways, it doesn't bother me really. I'll just keep doing what i do.
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