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Post by devinfire on Jul 6, 2005 9:11:30 GMT -5
I know there are probaly countless threads about this, but screw it. around here you can either revive a old thread and have your ass fornicated, or you can make your own and get bitch slapped. K, nuff nonsense, has anyone derived how Darcia was in Quent's hometown during Jaguara's raid? I have the final dvd, and seeing Quent's flashback again sparks anew mind numbing question, who the hell was that?
1. Darcia could take on a wolf's appearance all along... not likely, but I suppose it was possible.
2. Daricia's daddy turned wolf too and happened to be hanging out in Quent's town.
3. Quent was having a flash of the future, since it was Darcia that killed him... yeah, out there, but what else can I say?
4. A big plot hole...
Thats what I can come up with for now... but seriously, it's driving me crazy. I cant imagine the creators would just flop him in there for the hell of it... theres gotta be something else.
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Post by chezamaiden on Jul 6, 2005 9:42:36 GMT -5
I honestly can't say that I know either. That part confused me greatly too since Darcia didn't actually turn into a wolf until the end. Unless since that was supposed to have happened so long ago it was his father. Perhaps they never meant for us to know. =S
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 6, 2005 13:01:18 GMT -5
Well think about it. That could have been 20 years ago. Maybe 20 years ago Darcia knew how to turn into a wolf.. but then he forgot after his love died (which they never set a time table as to when she died) and yeah... I think that would make some sense
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Post by chezamaiden on Jul 6, 2005 14:30:19 GMT -5
Yeah that would make sense, but then that raises another question. If Darcia's love was alive at that time and he was as happy as you see in that one scene with him and Harmona, what would his reason be for destroying the cities? That's what confused me about that theory.
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Post by devinfire on Jul 6, 2005 15:15:04 GMT -5
I dunno... the final episodes are so damn contradicting to me... Darcia is a noble yet he is able to rememebr he's a wolf... but humans are the wolves that had forgotten, so either Darcia is a half noble/human or a human. I have concluded that it's impossible for Darcia to have remembered his wolf form (im calling it a form because it is a form. he was a noble, then he was a wolf. those are two different forms fyi) before he obtained the moonlight crucible. Darcia says along the lines " It was the moonlight cruicble that helped me remember". so, a human is a wolf who has forgotten what it really is and can never go back to it's true form. But Darcia did it, with the help of the moonlight cruicble. So that rules out the wolf in Quent's town being Darcia the III. Darcia the I dissapeared after his failed attempt at opening paradise. Darcia the II is never heard of... so we can conclude that he was maybe born a wolf and had the ability to don a human guise, thus impregnating Darcia the III's mother... I dunno... this all seems alittle far-fetched, but the answer to this question is not going to be simple by any means.
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Post by chezamaiden on Jul 6, 2005 18:08:17 GMT -5
Nope certainly not. Like I said...maybe it was never meant to be figured out. Maybe that part of the story was even too complicated for them to go into full detail, but it was a cool idea so they went with it, leaving it wide open for confusion and interpurtation.
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Post by Scarred Wolf on Jul 6, 2005 20:08:27 GMT -5
Dude... deja vu. I woke up 2 days ago and was goin to make a thread about this; it was REALLY bugging me how Darcia was at quent's house like eating leftover things.
I think the OVA's were just contradicting and since the show has that whole "figure it out yourself, biatch" thing going on, i think they just said "screw it" and kinda left us to make our own speculations -- except this time there werent little hints and clues.
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Post by armand on Jul 9, 2005 19:19:31 GMT -5
I dunno... the final episodes are so damn contradicting to me... Darcia is a noble yet he is able to rememebr he's a wolf... but humans are the wolves that had forgotten, so either Darcia is a half noble/human or a human. I have concluded that it's impossible for Darcia to have remembered his wolf form (im calling it a form because it is a form. he was a noble, then he was a wolf. those are two different forms fyi) before he obtained the moonlight crucible. Darcia says along the lines " It was the moonlight cruicble that helped me remember". so, a human is a wolf who has forgotten what it really is and can never go back to it's true form. But Darcia did it, with the help of the moonlight cruicble. So that rules out the wolf in Quent's town being Darcia the III. Darcia the I dissapeared after his failed attempt at opening paradise. Darcia the II is never heard of... so we can conclude that he was maybe born a wolf and had the ability to don a human guise, thus impregnating Darcia the III's mother... I dunno... this all seems alittle far-fetched, but the answer to this question is not going to be simple by any means. All right, after re-watching all of WR once again. I have come up with some theories about Quent's flashback. Here is my first one: Darcia III was able to turn into a wolf but without him being able to control his transformation. And perhaps the moonstone gave him that control that he needed. I myself think this is far-fetched, but what the hell, it makes some sense. Second one: It was Darcia II that was at Quent's house. I really doubt this but since we have nothing on Darcia II, anything is possible. Third one: This is the one that i find most likely. Quent got hit by that car and it messed up his brain. I remember Cher saying something that his body was all right but she wasn't sure about his brain. And if Darcia did in fact appear in Quent's house, then why doesn't Blue remember that wolf? She was right next to Quent. So, can we really trust Quent's flashback? Now on your human, nobles and wolf thing. All right, Nobles were supposed to be aliens, i base that on some creator commentaries and Jagara's speech. And like i have said before, Darcia is a special case, he is "neither man nor beast". Now that line is confusing, did the creators think that making the nobles aliens was a horrible idea and decided at the end to make them human? Now about humans, most of humanity was created by using parts of wolves. Therefore, humans were created from wolves, however, they did not evolve from them. Also, not all humans were born like this, some started out as wolves and liked their human illusion form and stayed that way(not sure how they did that). So, the question is, are nobles the ones that embraced their human illusion form and had forgotten they were once wolves? See, now that makes some sense, but it also contradicts what had been previously said. I think the creators had a change of idea about the Nobles. In fact, the Nobles are probably the biggest plot hole in WR. |
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Post by Don't Make Me Blue on Jul 18, 2005 10:46:38 GMT -5
Armand-i really like your answers, and that you didnt say one was a conclusion...on things like this, i always leave it up to my mind and endless possibilities. The story is filled with situations like this...
I definately thought the same question as the topic starter, and to be honest i don't really want to come to a conclusion, just thinking of the possibilities is good enough!
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Post by devinfire on Jul 18, 2005 14:44:43 GMT -5
Armand-i really like your answers, and that you didnt say one was a conclusion...on things like this, i always leave it up to my mind and endless possibilities. The story is filled with situations like this... I definately thought the same question as the topic starter, and to be honest i don't really want to come to a conclusion, just thinking of the possibilities is good enough! Of course, this little incident will never be fully explained. There are anamolies, exceptions to the rules, and oddities when it comes to WR. But, in the beauty of the viewers infinite curiousity, we can seek an explanation nonetheless. In the end, I think Im most interested by this incident because it seems like such a plot hole. And I guess it is... I mean, maybe the creator's just wanted a connection between Darcia and Quent before their showdown and threw in that little flashback. Thats the most logic answer for me. |
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Post by Soul on Jul 19, 2005 13:52:20 GMT -5
Perhaps it was his first awakening as a wolf, and his first realization of his transformation abilities. The entire pack seemed to be searching for something among the wreckage of Quent's home, they weren't bent on devouring the people, or simply reeking havoc. I don't believe that the wolf we saw was anyone BUT Darcia. Quent states something along the lines of, "It was you...blah, blah," as he was flashing back and Darcia seems to accept this. Take a look at the episode again, of that scene. For a few seconds we're shown a book burning, with emphasis on an illustration of a wolf-man with one human eye standing in the wreckage of a building  .  The book is consumed in flames moments later. Is this what Darcia was searching for??? Ohh, so many questions that arise! |
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Post by Ero_Sennin on Jul 19, 2005 15:16:15 GMT -5
Wow... I never saw that before.... many questions arise indeed..
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Post by devinfire on Jul 19, 2005 16:08:16 GMT -5
Correct me if Im wrong, but Quent's very sophisticated when it comes to the book of the moon. And obviously, it's sitting there at his burning house. The wolf in that picture has one blue eye and one gold eye, now here's my point.
Quent never ever mentions the Blue and golden eyed wolf until after he awakes from his injury. Well, maybe his mind was warped alittle. He got the idea that the wolf was there from that picture of a blue and golden eyed wolf. Darcia himself says that humans who have become wolf can never ever go back, so I dont think it could have been Darcia in the village. I think it was that picture that messed with Quent's mind.
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Post by SelsdonMowbray on Jul 19, 2005 18:29:53 GMT -5
I think that it MUST have been in his mind... er.... something. Here we go....
When everyone is in Jaraga's city, and Blue's... doing..... something.... with Hige?.... Anyway, she overhears some of the guards there talking about how it was THEM (Jagara's troops) who torched the city... Right, she was with Cher and the guards where asking where they were from and they say something along the lines of" Hey... we burned that city.... blah..."
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Post by Soul on Jul 19, 2005 19:53:46 GMT -5
Correct me if Im wrong, but Quent's very sophisticated when it comes to the book of the moon. And obviously, it's sitting there at his burning house. The wolf in that picture has one blue eye and one gold eye, now here's my point. Quent never ever mentions the Blue and golden eyed wolf until after he awakes from his injury. Well, maybe his mind was warped alittle. He got the idea that the wolf was there from that picture of a blue and golden eyed wolf. Darcia himself says that humans who have become wolf can never ever go back, so I dont think it could have been Darcia in the village. I think it was that picture that messed with Quent's mind. Possibly, but we never find out if Quent even saw that picture. It was just shown to us, we get a zoomed in portion to identify the picture and then it's fire-feeder. And from the beginning of the series Quent was convinced of the wolves' guilt in the destruction of his family. Why?, Because he saw them in the fire, and so did Blue. His conviction had nothing to do with the picture in that book. Question though: Is there more than one book of the moon? it's always referred to as a singular object, but from this scene we're lead to think otherwise...it confuses me. Is it supposed to be some other book of alchemy or mythology? |
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